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Post by brianpickton on Jun 28, 2006 8:32:52 GMT -4
Hey Robert, you old insomniac. Actually I think GST stands for "Gouging and Screwing Tax". Of course in good old NS it the HST - "Horrendous Screwing Tax". While I appreciate your modesty, I on the other hand would have no problem setting a price for dinghy membership at the DYC. There is only one small problem: I don't have the power to do so ;D While I personally take a secret pleasure in whining, sniveling and complaining, I also occasionally suffer an irresistible compulsion to do something about whatever bothers me. My wife says this compulsion to try to make the world a better place is my chief short coming. (Remarkable, when you consider that she had so many to choose from.) Anyway I have decided, rightly or wrongly, to try to so something about it. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your earlier post on membership fees and my reply to the Rear Commodore of the DYC and look forward to his input on this discussion. The CY price looks like a reasonable number for discussion purposes with the DYC. While we are on the topic of one design, check out the G-Force Yachts Rebel ( http://www.g-forceyachts.com) and the Ultimate 20 (www.ultimatesailboats.com). One is a true dinghy the other is a retractable keel boat. Both look like they offer accelerating performance. I am contacting both builders to get pricing. We can than compare that to locally available pricing for other designs. I am assuming we consider Abbott Boats in Ontario to be local.If anybody else has pricing on a one design keel boat or dinghy that they think would be of interest, please make a post. If we want to kick start one design having this sort of information is what it is going to take, and then we can find out how many people are ready to commit to a particular boat.
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Post by CoolBreeze on Jun 28, 2006 8:39:29 GMT -4
www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/stealth.htmThey are re-doing their website for this new boat, I saw the original website for the boat, and they had videos, the boat look very impressive!! Can't wait to see more on it soon.
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Post by don on Jun 28, 2006 11:09:25 GMT -4
I agree with you on the price issue. Although my Sandpiper is a bit big..I'd still treat it like a dinghy and 'drysail' it from my trailer. All I need is a good launch ramp and a parking space to leave my boat/trailer in-between sails. The little club on Porters lake (Halifax/Dartmouth Powerboat Club) wanted $200.00 + HST and I would have joined, but I don't know two current members to vouch for me. St. Margaret' Sailing Club is reasonable too but hasn't built a ramp yet. I really don't want to pay membership fees of over a grand for a boat my size.
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Post by brianpickton on Jun 28, 2006 11:50:31 GMT -4
I( would think the same fee would apply to any boat that was dry sailed and stored off site for the winter, regardless of size. It would be in the interest of sailing to promote a facility for trailer sailers. It would mean that the club is reaching out to sailors of all types.
That would include those whose sole means of propulsion is the infernal combustion engine. With respect to Porter's Lake, if it is anything like DYC, all I had to do is introduce yourself to a member and say you would like to join. At that moment he went on a hunt to find 2 others. One was in the club and we tracked another down in the parking lot. They were only too happy to have fresh blood to help support the bar. No need to be shy.
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Post by CoolBreeze on Jun 28, 2006 13:46:01 GMT -4
Don, how many times do I have to tell you just to come to DYC and get it over with. I'll sign for you, and I am sure I can drum up another for ya!!! hahahaha
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Post by don on Jun 28, 2006 18:45:29 GMT -4
Rob... you forget ........... I'm a poor pensioner, not a rich working class hero. I need to save my loonies for a trip to the BVI. My buddy e-mailed again asking me when I'm coming down.
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Post by glenn on Jun 28, 2006 22:17:06 GMT -4
Hmm... I wonder what the ruling is on the use of the ramp by crew members? If you took the boat home at the end of the day, maybe you could Race And Dash or whatever... Crew membership is just $100 + Horribly Stupid Tax... I don't even have a canoe so I haven't tried it...
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Post by robertd on Jun 28, 2006 22:17:42 GMT -4
Great timing for both Rob and Don to join this discussion. From what I've seen recently from another website that Rob, Don and myself are members of, the fastest growing fleet in Halifax Harbour is the Sandpiper. That would be an excellent fleet to do one-design racing with as the versatility of the Sandpiper will allow one to race and then go for a weekend getaway in comfort. The Sandpiper was originally designed to sail in the English Channel so from that alone you know that the 'Piper can easily withstand the Halifax Harbour Approaches.
On another note Brian you say that you may not be in a position of power at DYC but the use of this forum has definitely put trailerables into the spotlight. That my friend is power. Considering how many "views" this thread has we know that we're attracting a lot of attention to a subject that would have been otherwise thought of as just a good idea that didn't get much attention. I for one will be quite interested to see how this develops.
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Post by robertd on Jul 6, 2006 11:24:46 GMT -4
Another CL 16 was spotted at the Shearwater Yacht Club this past weekend. Hopefully this is a sign that dinghy sailing/racing will become more predominant in the harbour.
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Post by don on Jul 8, 2006 11:19:06 GMT -4
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Post by brianpickton on Jul 12, 2006 8:08:46 GMT -4
Rumor has it that the subject of a trailer sailor membership fee may be on the agenda for DYC. My source, "Deep Gargle", is not optimistic about the chances of anything being done due to the current space restrictions at the club, which has a waiting list for membership. On a busy weekend the parking lot is nearly full of cars. It might be that dinghy sailors are going to have to try to find a different venue, such as Porter's Lake, to get a program going.
Other bad news is the fire at Abbott Boat Works, which has reportedly destroyed all three sheds and the molds for the boats, including the Wayfarer. The question is will they try to rebuild?
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Post by brianpickton on Jul 14, 2006 9:25:52 GMT -4
Back to possible boats I recieved an e-mail from Jeff Canepa about an Ultimate 20 for sale in Rhode Island. The base PHRF for this boat is 144. It has a liftable ballasted keel and is a full bore sport boat. IS this a contender for a one design fleet? Check them out at sailsmart@aol.com. Here is the spec on the boat I recieved for those interested.
Hull # 123 - located in Warwick Rhode Island. This was Brad Boston's winning boat. It was professionally redone by Abbott Boat works in 2004. This boat is in mint shape and is the closest you'll find to a new one.
Equipment: - all the standard factory equip
- 2006 Mast with all new running rigging
- 2006 Class set of DoyleBoston sails, used 1 regatta
- 2nd set of DoyleBoston class sails in excellent condition
- brand new boom cover and jib sock
- boom/hatch tent
- cockpit bags
- 2004 Excalibur trailer
- full travel/storage cover
- anchor, safety equip etc
- speed mate knot meter
- plasmito compass
- 3hp Nissan OB
This boat will sell just the way I received it from Brad. 23.000.00US
thanks Paul
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Post by brianpickton on Jul 18, 2006 8:11:03 GMT -4
A bit of good news: Abbott boats will be back in business by mid September building Ultimate 20's according to an e-mail I received today. Apparently the basic molds are OK and new tooling that had been ordered from Italy should be arriving by then. It remains to be seen what they might do about the dinghy and other molds.
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Post by brianpickton on Jul 18, 2006 9:01:16 GMT -4
I am really quite serious about trying to get a one design fleet going at DYC, so much so that I have postponed buying a replacement for The Legend until this spring in order to try to do so. However if this is going to happen I need input from those of you who might be interested in acquiring a boat for that purpose as well. While my own inclination is towards a full race sport boat like the Ultimate 20 or 24, my wife wants a boat with certain amenities, among which she includes standing headroom, an actual if small galley and a functioning head. That limits some of the choices and I expect those of you who want to satisfy the needs of the mate to get them out on the water are faced with a similar dilemma. Working within those parameters here are some possible boats to consider:
For discussion purposes there are already C&C 27’s, 29’s and 32’s racing at the club. There is also very competitive Cal 9.2. I have considered Tanzers because there are a couple of 22’s around, although I would be more inclined to the T-10. One suggestion of another alternative is for the J-30 built form 1979 to 1984. Personally I am prepared to get any one of these boats to help build a fleet. My question is, is there any one else similarly interested, and if there are any comments with respect these particular models?
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Post by brianpickton on Nov 10, 2006 20:26:52 GMT -4
Hi folks,
It looks like nobody is really prepared to commit to buying a boat for a one design fleet, so I will. There isn't even an interest in a J-fleet, which I found surprising. I was really quite interested in the possibility of an Ultimate 20 or 24 fleet. For a while I was even considering a Mini Transat since there didn't seem to be any interest whatsoever in terms of promoting a OD fleet so it would not matter what I got since it would wind up in a PHRF fleet anyway. Dinghy racing at the DYC looks like a non-starter by the way.
Then one day recently I'm surfing the net for sports boats, of which there appears to have been an explosion of interest lately, and I come across the Rocket 22, a Gary Mull design that has been revitalized by Don Martin. Google "Rocket 22" to check it out.
The web site has a lot of good information on it, so I decided to give them a call today. I won't bore you with the entirety of the conversation I had with them other than to mention 2 things: They have improved production by changing a number of things, not the least of which is building the boat using the infusion injection process that makes the boats lighter and stronger and a whole lot more consistent in terms of weight, and most importantly several thousand dollars cheaper than using the old hand layup system. Secondly, if you order one before the end of December they will knock another 15% off the price.
A couple of things tip the scales n favour of this design compared to other sports boat. A big factor is Don Martin, whose 242 is a very popular racer still, and who designed the Martin 16, the boat of choice for the handicap and such an able sailer that it was in the running to become one of the Olympic classes. I was involved in this boat from its inception when I was at the Glenmore Sailing Club trying to get the Disabled Sailing Association of Alberta off the ground. By the time I left Alberta to go sailing we owned 5 of them. The guy knows how to draw and build a fast boat.
Also I am Canadian enough to want to favour a Canadian manufacturer when I am going to spend that kind of money on my hobby.
If all goes well for me on a couple of other fronts I plan to order it by late December. I hear their is someone at Bedford who has also expressed an interest in the design, so we'll see what comes of that.
Anybody interested in getting involved at the ground level in a one design fleet in a boat that wasn't designed 20 plus years ago, and goes fast even in light air, this may be their chance.
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